RSX type-S shifter box and cable testing

[hondaboy4life]

This weekend one of the guys at driveshaftshop let me try out my j series accord transmission with his new bolt in hybrid racing shifter box. Everything seemed to work it was just backwards which means that cl-s transmissions will work fine with rsx-s shifter box and cables, but accord and tl-s transmissions will need to be modified slightly. You will need to do the opposite of what member wolydotmatrix did to his shift lever.

here's a video of what went on ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7oqoTCV5M

[jrizzat]

great video really help full..

[jdmjohn]

thats awesome. was that a J in the car or a K? moved pretty good... and how much for the box

[hondaboy4life]

that was a k20z3 in an ek hatch. I believe the shifter box is around $380?

[wolydotmatrix]

hope that includes the cables??

Nice vid good work.

[civicdrivr]

hope that includes the cables??

Nice vid good work.

Sadly no. Its a nice piece, but I dont think the price makes it worth while. Unless Im thinking of something else.

[hondaboy4life]

It does not include the cables unfortunately. I think its one of those things you have to see/feel to appreciate really. Anyways if you guys want to look into it some more check it out here:

http://k20a.org/forum/showthread.php?t=45550

They have some videos up explaining its design etc.

[Becoming]

Sadly no. Its a nice piece, but I dont think the price makes it worth while. Unless Im thinking of something else.

It's an awesome piece, well worth the money due to being a more solid shift feel, not having to cut the tunnel, and plus there wouldn't be any clearance issues with the exhaust that comes with having a Karcepts kit in the tunnel.

[civicdrivr]

It's an awesome piece, well worth the money due to being a more solid shift feel, not having to cut the tunnel, and plus there wouldn't be any clearance issues with the exhaust that comes with having a Karcepts kit in the tunnel.

True, but for nearly $400? I could see spending $250 on it, but $400 is alittle steep. I am quite impressed by the speed of the shifts from the video. Id love to have one in my EF so I dont have to box the tunnel to put the stock shifter in there.

[Becoming]

True, but for nearly $400? I could see spending $250 on it, but $400 is alittle steep. I am quite impressed by the speed of the shifts from the video. Id love to have one in my EF so I dont have to box the tunnel to put the stock shifter in there.

But you also have to look at it from a business aspect, Will and the guys have about 13 or so months in these shifters...he's been paying for R&D and hasn't made anything till now.

[civicdrivr]

Understood. Maybe they'll lower the price some as time goes on, or maybe Ill be lucky and find someone selling a used one.

It is a very nice shifter.

[junior78]

finally so it does work

[Schu]

Holy cow... that looks like a great design. does someone have a direct link to the piece for sale?

[hondaboy4life]

I beat the crap out of mine all weekend and it was great. Ground 2nd a few times since it shifts so fast and i need to get used to it/learn to push the clutch in faster :P

http://hybrid-racing.com/store/index.php/drivetrain-1/hybrid-racing-k-swap-bolt-in-short-shifter.html

Not only is it a great convenient piece, but it also makes shifting a lot easier. It has a very strong spring system inside of it so when doing 2-3 or 4-5 it is very hard to miss shift. All you have to do is push it forward and slightly to the side and it goes right into the desired gear.

[splat]

This is really nice, i might have to jump on this in a month or two.
Really nice work.

[Schu]

is there any shop offering the unit or hybrid stuff for a discount?

[hondaboy4life]

hybrid racing is a member on here i hope to setup an advertising account with them soon. Once that happends then maybe they will offer discount pricing to the j series community.

[Schu]

thanks... we're looking at several hundred dollars because I want to upgrade my cables to... i wonder if hybrid can do a custom length cable?

[hondaboy4life]

They can but they only do them when they renew their order for cables which could take a little while...

[Schu]

thanks so much... I better get in touch with them.

[jdelsol]

So with this piece does this mean that the floor does not need to be cut on the car?

[hondaboy4life]

correct. It is direct bolt in.

[jdelsol]

correct. It is direct bolt in.

Alright thanks, I am a little hesitant about cutting into the tunnel of my car lol. It will be worth the little bit of extra moo-lah.

[hondaboy4life]

the shifter is adjustable in like 3 different ways so it is infact well worth it.

[jdelsol]

the shifter is adjustable in like 3 different ways so it is infact well worth it.

this has confused me, as the title says RSX Type-S shifter box and cable, so would I be able to use the stock RSX type-S shifter and cables?

[hondaboy4life]

Yes you can but i am refering to the hybrid-racing bolt in shifter box which is a replacement for the rsx-s stock box and is direct bolt in when doing a k and j swap.

[starboy869]

Now I just need to track down from RSX type S shifter cables.

[townsy859]

hybrid-racing offers RSX cables.

[dseriesdrag]

Anyone know if you have to use rsx-s cables with the type s box, or can you use base rsx cables?

Any issues with hooking the cables up to the trans as far as length or anything?

[acidbath124]

you can use stock cl type s cables with the hybrid shift box thats what i am using and it works just fine

[dseriesdrag]

you can use stock cl type s cables with the hybrid shift box thats what i am using and it works just fine

i meant the stock rsx-s box.

[acidbath124]

well you can use the cl s cables with the hybrid shift box so i dont see why you wouldnt be able to use them with the stock rsx shift box. the cl s cables are way cheaper

[dseriesdrag]

Ok. That makes sense. Thanks for the info. Ill try and track down some cl-s cables and let you know how it goes.

[aztecracer]

4cyl accord shifter and cables, or v-6 accord shifter and cables the cheapest that I found. Bought a v-6 manual transmission and the guy at the salvage yard through in the shifter and cables for free.

[6CYL-IN-TEG-RITY]

anyone know if you have to use rsx-s cables with the type s box, or can you use base rsx cables?

Any issues with hooking the cables up to the trans as far as length or anything?

you can use stock cl type s cables with the hybrid shift box thats what i am using and it works just fine

i meant the stock rsx-s box.

well you can use the cl s cables with the hybrid shift box so i dont see why you wouldnt be able to use them with the stock rsx shift box. The cl s cables are way cheaper

So bottom line... I can use the CL-S shifter cables with the rsx-s hybrid racing SHIFTER BOX ANDRSX-S SHIFTER???

[hrruss]

Guys, we are considering offering a bolt-on kit that would adapt the j-series manual tranny to have a shift pattern that matches an RSX (base or type S) shifter. This would mean you could use a karcepts or k-tuned adapter plate and OEM shift box or our bolt-in shifter. The kit would include a piece to move the pin on the transmission's shifter arm and a new bracket for where the cables attach to the transmission case. I just wanted to see if there'd be interest in something along these lines before we bother prototyping it.

~russ

[Singlecam_eg]

So you are making a adapter so the accord trans will work with RSX or the HR shifter? I'm sure anything that would make sourcing parts easier will have a huge amount of interest especially as the swap becomes more and more popular

[hondaboy4life]

I am already running your bolt in shifter box with my setup so I dont see what needs to be changed...?

[hrruss]

So you are making a adapter so the accord trans will work with RSX or the HR shifter? I'm sure anything that would make sourcing parts easier will have a huge amount of interest especially as the swap becomes more and more popular

That's the idea

I am already running your bolt in shifter box with my setup so I dont see what needs to be changed...?

If I recall, the j-series manual tranny has a pattern that's partially reversed relative to the RSX pattern, much like an 8th gen civic transmission. Didn't you have to modify the location of the stud on one of the transmission's levers? I know I saw that welding work you did on it.

Ah, I just noticed that the cl-s transmission works out of the box, but the accord and tl-s trannies need to be modified. Is that correct?

~russ

[Singlecam_eg]

Yea the accord and tl would need to be modified. Is the adapter your talkin about making goin to replace the shiftlever on the trans? Or is it gonna be a plate that slips over the existing lever?

[hrruss]

Yea the accord and tl would need to be modified. Is the adapter your talkin about making goin to replace the shiftlever on the trans? Or is it gonna be a plate that slips over the existing lever?

Not exactly a plate that slips over, but along those lines. We'd also include a new bracket that holds the cables to the tranny, so that the cables would line up properly.

[Singlecam_eg]

Awesome man keep us posted...u guys should make a package deal with the adapter,shifter and cables.

[hrruss]

I wish I had a dime for every package deal that's been suggested to me, haha. In most cases, if you place your order by phone, you can get a good discount when ordering multiple parts, even if it's not officially a package.

~russ

[hondaboy4life]

What do you mean by the bracket? I'm using your guys' race cables and they line up/secure fine to the trannys stock locations? I would think if you guys just included pins for the j series guys to weld on that would suffice... Also shorter cables and the shifter box in my car has a good bit of play compared to it in a k series car...

[hrruss]

What do you mean by the bracket? I'm using your guys' race cables and they line up/secure fine to the trannys stock locations? I would think if you guys just included pins for the j series guys to weld on that would suffice... Also shorter cables and the shifter box in my car has a good bit of play compared to it in a k series car...

I'll have to take a better look at a few j-swaps before we get the details sorted out. We like to keep everything bolt-on, to lower the learning curve when it comes to installs. Normally we avoid making anyone weld anything.

I'm not sure I'm understanding what you mean by play in the shifter when using it with a j-series trans as opposed to a k-series trans. Could you ellaborate? My initial reaction when I hear a comparison like that is it's like something other than the shifter, since that's the only constant between the two comparisons. Or am I missing something?

While I'm at it, if anyone has suggestions for j-swap parts they'd like to see, or parts that would have made their swap easier, feel free to post them up or pm me about it. We're always looking for fresh ideas from people with a little bit of experience.

~russ

[hondaboy4life]

It very well could be play in the shifter arm and not the shifter itself i will need to look into it just bringing it to your attention.

Things you guys could look into...

fuel line setups
itb's
bigger throttle bodies/adapter plates
intake mani plenum work
engine torque dampener
kits to reverse the intake manifold around for guys that may want to boost in the future.
egr clean air valve
i'd try to attack the j series aftermarket performance areas like engine internals etc
adjustable cam gears with built in trigger and tdc adjustment could be a huge one for when people start to make cams etc.
playing with header designs and finding a solid design that gets good results would be a good money maker too.
lightweight crank pulleys
coolant hose kits
shorter shifter cables, i really had to bend the k series race ones up into the tunnel.

ps - You going to be at competition this year in Michigan?

[Singlecam_eg]

Fuel rails, speedo/tach converters, wiring harness or adapters basically everything they have available for the kswap and everyother motor out there

[jtrix21]

i'd be most interested in aftermarket intake manifolds. a lower profile plenum that would retain a lot of volume by being wider across.

[ekswapdude]

to go with hybird racing you will spend a lil more than 700 on box and cables combined... i know i just called about 20 min ago! you can call karcepts and talk to brian whom im doing most of my business with and get the oem accord six speed shifter box, cables and all attaching hardware shipped for 250 even! thats brand new from honda north america! the adjustability is super awesome dont get me wrong... but not for three times the price... i know people still using oem box and cables in their 03 accord six speeds! so these things are durable! hope this helps you guys not to mention an absolute perfect match for your accord tranny!

[d fabulous]

It very well could be play in the shifter arm and not the shifter itself i will need to look into it just bringing it to your attention.

Things you guys could look into...

fuel line setups
itb's
bigger throttle bodies/adapter plates
intake mani plenum work
engine torque dampener
kits to reverse the intake manifold around for guys that may want to boost in the future.
egr clean air valve
i'd try to attack the j series aftermarket performance areas like engine internals etc
adjustable cam gears with built in trigger and tdc adjustment could be a huge one for when people start to make cams etc.
playing with header designs and finding a solid design that gets good results would be a good money maker too.
lightweight crank pulleys
coolant hose kits
shorter shifter cables, i really had to bend the k series race ones up into the tunnel.

ps - You going to be at competition this year in Michigan?

yes all of this. haha